SETI, World Community Grid, and BBC Climate Change Projects

[CyberWraith]

Anyone else interested in participating in this?

we could set up a Technutopia team if there is enough interest?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/hottopics/climatechange/

[Major Tom MIB]

Boinc: Join Team Technutopia (http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/create_account_form.php?teamid=123904)

[Julie]

cool....do we get uniforms?

[Major Tom MIB]

Join Team Technutopia (http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/create_account_form.php?teamid=123904)Hey, the BBC has their own version of the Boinc program which doesn't appear to permit attaching to a team--anyone notice that?

No T-Shirts yet :(

[CyberWraith]

you can make a team but just for their experiment I think,

not quite sure how it works

http://bbc.cpdn.org/advanced.php

[Major Tom MIB]

BBC: Join Team Technutopia (http://bbc.cpdn.org/team_display.php?teamid=375)

[Major Tom MIB]

Wow--They gave me a 2700 hour work unit--that's really long--won't see any results for a long time :(

[Major Tom MIB]

Anyone need instructions? Better yet, does anyone have instructions which they can share with the rest of us on how to join the teams of Technutopia?

[Julie]

Couldn't create account
You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'at 9.00pm on Monday 20th February on BBC 4 42995

Click your browser's Back button to try again.


I have no clue what I did wrong. :( No uniform for me. :mymymy:

[CyberWraith]

ok I have both project up and I have joined both teams I get a hat :)

[Major Tom MIB]

I have no clue what I did wrong. :( No uniform for me. :mymymy:
ok I have both project up and I have joined both teams I get a hat :)Any suggestions for our friend with SQL problems?

[CyberWraith]

like I even know what SQL is :o

BK: have you actualy downloaded the Bionic manager?

[Major Tom MIB]

Wow--They gave me a 2700 hour work unit--that's really long--won't see any results for a long time :(Oh my and one of my other computers has a 2900 hour job!

[Julie]

looks like I'll be getting a t-shirt after all, thanks Tom ;)

[Major Tom MIB]

Seems they have something called 'Trickles' :) So the whole 2900 hours must report back in segments. It should be interesting to see the global climate trickle in :)

[CyberWraith]

24,000 credits already what kind of darn computers you got there???

[Major Tom MIB]

24,000 credits already what kind of darn computers you got there???You don't lose your credits when you join a team, but the team doesn't get credits until after you join and finish work units.

You can click on the links for users and machines and see what they have--try it!

[Major Tom MIB]

Anyone else interested in participating in this?

we could set up a Technutopia team if there is enough interest?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/hottopics/climatechange/Okay, the teams are set up. Somebody else has expressed interest, now is there more interest?

[Major Tom MIB]

The first trickles are in!

We could use a few hundred more compters on this task--see my sig for the software and the click on the 'Technutopia' links to see the latest team stats.

Hope to see more members soon...

[historic_bruno]

Hmmm I'll have to check out BOINC since it's compatible with so many distributed projects. I've been using World Community Grid software for Folding@Home and FightAIDS@Home. Interesting, let me try this out... I'll run it for Windows and Linux.

[historic_bruno]

Well I'm not sure it let me join team Techutopia for climate change but I tried. I couldn't even add SETI as a project, it failed for some reason. I didn't see a team for world community grid projects, care to make one? :)

[Major Tom MIB]

Cool as it seems I might have an underpowered computer for the climate project--it'll be nice to see more work units trickle in :)

[Major Tom MIB]

Well I'm not sure it let me join team Techutopia for climate change but I tried. I couldn't even add SETI as a project, it failed for some reason. I didn't see a team for world community grid projects, care to make one? :)Somebody joined the climate project.

As for the world community grid--Got Link?

[historic_bruno]

Ben? (That's me). And here I thought I posted the link, it's http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org

I'm running BOINC on Linux now, but it's having some problems with the BBC climate change project. It can't communicate with their servers for some reason :confused: The grid project is running as we speak.

[CyberWraith]

seti's servers were down last night, I couldn't upload results either,
I joined the BBC project but when I download the project it doesn't tell me that I am a member of the team, I got rid of it in the end and I shall try again on a better comp

[Major Tom MIB]

Done...Sig links ammened.

[historic_bruno]

Thanks. All three projects are running on my computer so results should start filtering in soon :grin:

[Major Tom MIB]

Thanks. All three projects are running on my computer so results should start filtering in soon :grin:Cool. All three on the same computer? I couldn't get BBC to work with Bonic.

Cool stats page for the World Community project.

[historic_bruno]

Cool. All three on the same computer?
Yes. It gets even cooler, I have the BOINC client for both Windows and Linux now, so I'm working on a project no matter what OS I'm in. If only I can get them to both use a common partition to store and access the work units; perhaps both OSes could work on the same parts? :D

[historic_bruno]

I found this nifty little tool called kboincspy. Basically it lets you monitor or run a BOINC client in Linux. The interface is IMO better than the one that comes with BOINC manager, it just sits in your system tray if you want it to and monitors the state of each project as well as your computer. Plus I figured out how to write a script which starts BOINC when my computer boots into Linux.

Wow this thread's not really a rant anymore lol :D

[Major Tom MIB]

We can try this forum and see if it fits :)

[Major Tom MIB]

RE: Texas Memory Systems -- XP-15 DSP Accelerator PCI Card (http://www.superdsp.com/products/xp15/)

I wonder how much this puppy would cost and how hard it would be to program :D

[CyberWraith]

this is fun I am getting results in from seti,
Eat my dust people hhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Major Tom MIB]

this is fun I am getting results in from seti,
Eat my dust people hhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaYes!

Also for reference about this type of project, check out http://www.devx.com/Intel/Article/20908

[Major Tom MIB]

Dang, computers are complicated--I couldn't'em to all work as services for me, so it's just seti for me for now.

I can't find any cheap computing devices so I can put more processors online--I hope that TI DSP is cost effective :D

[MoreBandwidthPls]

Most sound cards have quite a sophisticated DSP inbuilt - I wonder if they are being harnessed?

I wouldn't be purchasing a TI DSP board just for SETI processing - seem like an inefficient use of resources.

[Major Tom MIB]

Most sound cards have quite a sophisticated DSP inbuilt - I wonder if they are being harnessed?Doubtful it could be done--I suspect they are too specialized and don't have a way to return results other than by sound, but I'd think some of them fancy video game cards could be converted.

I wouldn't be purchasing a TI DSP board just for SETI processing - seem like an inefficient use of resources.At 8gflops it sounds like it could handle that BBC project :D Right, Nearly 3,000 hours on my PC :(

Lets see how much they cost first before dismissing them. Maybe they can provide some for educational use--any students here? :D

[MoreBandwidthPls]

I've read articles on the GPU being utilised on graphic cards for other purposes. This would make sense as you would not normally be using graphics when the computer was dormant and doing processing for remote people.

[Major Tom MIB]

Well, I added the Technutopia graphic to the team page: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/team_display.php?teamid=123904

[CyberWraith]

Tom your not shown on the page anymore?

[Major Tom MIB]

Tom your not shown on the page anymore?Just switched identities--just posted some points and there's a bunch pending :)

[MoreBandwidthPls]

On the subject of collective/collaborative computing, here's another:

Distributed computing cracks Enigma code
Graeme Wearden, ZDNet UK, February 28, 2006

More than 60 years after the end of World War II, a distributed computing project has managed to crack a previously uncracked message that was encrypted using the Enigma machine.

The M4 Project began in early January, as an attempt to break three original Enigma messages that were intercepted in 1942 and are thought never to have been broken by the Allied forces.

These messages were encrypted using a four-rotor Enigma. That version was considered by Germany to be completely unbreakable, as it could be set up in any one of 2 by 10,145 ways, each of which would encrypt a plain text message a different way.

Cryptologists at Bletchley Park in the UK managed to break Enigma through their development of early computers, led by Alan Turing, and also by using intelligence to cut down the number of possible set-ups.

According to the organisers of M4, their open-source message-breaking application managed to crack one of the three messages early last week.

The translation of the message is as follows:
Radio signal 1851/19/252: "F T 1132/19 contents: Forced to submerge during attack. Depth charges. Last enemy position 0830h AJ 9863, (course]) 220 degrees, (speed) 8 knots. (I am) following (the enemy). (Barometer) falls 14 mb, (wind) nor-nor-east, (force) 4, visibility 10 (nautical miles)."

In breaking the first message, the project organisers used so-called brute force to test the encrypted message against all possible set-up configurations of the four-rotor Enigma. However, this configuration did not include the machine's plugboard, which allowed the operator to swap two letters around before they were processed by the machine's rotors.

The plugboard added much more complexity to the encryption process than any single rotor. To address this, the M4 Project used a "hill-climbing algorithm."

"Hill-climbing algorithms try to optimise an object, in this case the plugboard settings, by changing the object step by step. After each change the 'goodness' or 'fitness' of the new object has to be determined by a scoring function. Changes that lead to a 'better' object are retained. Here the changes lie in constantly trying out new wirings of the Enigma plugboard. After each change, the scoring function tests a new wiring by deciphering the message and trying to determine how closely the resulting plaintext matches the statistics of the natural language," the M4 Project explained.

With two messages still to break, the M4 Project is looking for computer users to download its application and help out.

This is a quick win scenario. See http://www.bytereef.org/m4_project.html for more information.

[CyberWraith]

Dang, computers are complicated--I couldn't'em to all work as services for me, so it's just seti for me for now.

I can't find any cheap computing devices so I can put more processors online--I hope that TI DSP is cost effective :D

you could get one of these, I bet that would bump our score somewhat,

http://www.orionmulti.com/products/specs_ds96

[historic_bruno]

I've only got one computer, and it's working on three projects :D The BOINC client still doesn't want to start up every time I'm in Linux so I have to start it manually and today I forgot. There's 5 hours of doing nothing so far :(

[mexicanman97]

I'll probably join up with ya.

[Major Tom MIB]

I'll probably join up with ya.Cool!

[CyberWraith]

I've only got one computer, and it's working on three projects :D The BOINC client still doesn't want to start up every time I'm in Linux so I have to start it manually and today I forgot. There's 5 hours of doing nothing so far :(

Is there any thing Here (http://www.guntec.de/Crunch3r/) that will help?

[Major Tom MIB]

Oh no, cyberwraith, beat me out of first place!

How come I'm the only one with BBC climate credit?

Doesn't anyone else want to try the community grid?

We need more people!

Looks like all these projects can be time sliced (60 minute intervals) using the same Bonic software application--cool!

Do we need to join more of the projects or is three enough? Like does somebody think some of the other projects are more important and/or have meaning?

[redshirt]

Do we need to join more of the projects or is three enough? Like does somebody think some of the other projects are more important and/or have meaning?

I've been running F@H (http://folding.stanford.edu) for almost 3 years now. I am in the top 11000 with over 82,000 points with team p2p-community. As soon as I get my cell chip (http://www.cellsupercomputer.com) I will add more DC projects but I like F@H to much to devote resources elsewhere.:p

[Major Tom MIB]

...The BOINC client still doesn't want to start up every time I'm in Linux so I have to start it manually and today I forgot. There's 5 hours of doing nothing so far :(Did you try this? Starting BOINC automatically-Automatic startup on Unix (http://boinc.berkeley.edu/auto_start.php)

[historic_bruno]

Did you try this? Starting BOINC automatically-Automatic startup on Unix (http://boinc.berkeley.edu/auto_start.php)
Yes. I'm not sure PCLinux always does what it's supposed to at startup. For example, if I make changes to /etc/profile to add or change environment variables, they don't seem to be automatically loaded. ~/.bash_profile is the same problem. But this is the standard way of doing this! Similarly, I added a startup script for BOINC to ~/.kde/Autostart, which should work as far as I can tell, but doesn't load at startup.

I have a more serious problem now. Somehow the Linux BOINC client is corrupting my work units. It runs fine for a day or two, but suddenly it crashes anytime you try to run it. Only removing and reinstalling fixes this, and in the process I lose my work :(

[limefan913]

I intend to focus all my computers at SETI@home. Once I get a new keyboard I can setup my Linux comptuer to run it as well. Until then I have a laptop and my main computer (my mom won't volenteer her computer for it, I doubt it anyhow).

[Major Tom MIB]

Welcome aboard :)

[limefan913]

Well, 2 computers cranking 24/7 is gaining a LOT of credit. I have 184 pending credit. And they say that HT isn't worth anything.

[Major Tom MIB]

Well, 2 computers cranking 24/7 is gaining a LOT of credit. I have 184 pending credit. And they say that HT isn't worth anything.That puppy is cranking!

We could use a stable full of those :)

[limefan913]

That puppy is cranking!

We could use a stable full of those :)
313.89 pending credit, 44.96 recieved so far. I'm just pumpin away. I let it crank even when I am doing something.

[CyberWraith]

Dammit Tom is over hauling me, and limeys up to 63 already

[limefan913]

Yeah, I gotta get my other ethernet card back, I want to get my little Linux box to work on this project too. Of coruse, that requires contacting a friend who I won't see for ages most likely, and might be less stressful if I just buy a new one.

[limefan913]

Woot woot. I finally passed up HB in credit ;)

[Major Tom MIB]

Seems seti is the only one of the three projects getting CPU time, so I'm only running that project now. Can't wait for ideas on the farm to materialize--that should bop up the points :)

[CyberWraith]

Arghhhh passed and surpassed :mad:

[CyberWraith]

and a late surge see's me streak into the lead again :grin:

963 @ 19:56 with 217 pending,
gonna break the Bag o'sand tonight :)


(Bag o'sand=Grand=1000)

[limefan913]

I'm gonna break past 500 tonight. 345.92 with 270.67 pending. These 2 computers are really kickin ****.

Tom: Did you set the SETI preferences to only use so much of your resources?

[Major Tom MIB]

...Tom: Did you set the SETI preferences to only use so much of your resources?Default is 100%, but that's 'idle' time--so when my computer's not doing anything it does seti.

[CyberWraith]

where has our leader gone?

[CyberWraith]

and he is back, are you messing with your name again?

[Major Tom MIB]

I forgot to join my own team! :(

Well, there's > 1,000 claimed credits pending--looks like I have to start from scratch.

Time to buy some more computers? :D

When I make a farm it will be under the Technutopia account--to be fair ;)

[limefan913]

Aww just put it all under your name. Your money spent, your money earned.

[limefan913]

Hey HB, wanna create a tutorial for BONIC on Linux? I'm setting up a Linux box again and am gonna dedicate it to BONIC (mostly SETI)

[limefan913]

WTF type of file is a .sh?

[historic_bruno]

WTF type of file is a .sh?
It's a shell script, the rough equivalent of a batch file in Windows/DOS (.bat). As for a Linux tutorial do you really need one? Just download it from here (http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/download/boinc/dl/boinc_5.2.13_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh). You execute the script by using the sh command followed by the file name. If you have multiple users you will want to put it somewhere that everyone can reach, so do a "su root" to switch to root user. The copy the file to somewhere like /opt/, it will automatically extract to a BOINC directory. Now, getting it to start up automatically with Linux is a different issue. Try reading this guide (http://boinc.berkeley.edu/auto_start.php) to see if anything looks like it would work for your distro. If not, I can possibly help. The Linux client seems pretty flaky on pclinux, hopefully it's better for you. :(

[limefan913]

Darn, now I gotta try to get my cheat sheet for bash.

[limefan913]

Crap, I forgot I closed BONIC to do something else and didn't open it back up, so I wasted 18 hours of work time!

EDIT: Tom, you really outta start using your name instead of "Technutopia" on projects (AKA: World Community Grid).

[mexicanman97]

So are you guys doing SETI or the Climate Project?

[CyberWraith]

it looks like all but tom are concentrating on the Seti project but Bruno is running all three,

[Major Tom MIB]

...EDIT: Tom, you really outta start using your name instead of "Technutopia" on projects (AKA: World Community Grid).World Grid requires a unique 'member' name and 'Tom' has been taken--'Technutopia' was available--what do you suggest?

[CyberWraith]

TomNutopia :)

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

"Major Tom, MIB" :D

[Major Tom MIB]

it looks like all but tom are concentrating on the Seti project but Bruno is running all three,
I switched a few times, but right now it's one computer for each project.

[Major Tom MIB]

"Major Tom, MIB" :DHow's that?

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

World Grid requires a unique 'member' name and 'Tom' has been taken--'Technutopia' was available--what do you suggest?;]

[CyberWraith]

right then Believe it or not I have finaly found out why I could not attach The BBC experiment to our team :o

because it wasn't the BBC experiment :mad:

it was climate prediction.net NOT BBC Climate prediction,

Subtle difference, but I am in now hurrah

[Major Tom MIB]

Cool--that's a monster work unit--thousands of cpu hours!

[CyberWraith]

yeah I'm gonna run seti for 1 hour then bbc for the next like you suggested,

Just as a matter of interest whien I get my new comp which would be more efficient Dual opterons or 1 Dual core Athlon FX60?

[Major Tom MIB]

I'm not the one to ask :( but... I would image that dual processors are more productive, but cost more (cpu+memory) than the dual core cpus.

[limefan913]

My fake dual core (Hyper Threading) is more productive than anything you guys have right now :p


PS: The price per productivity point is on the dual core.

EDIT: Ok, Tom's new dual core kicks my ***.

[historic_bruno]

Just as a matter of interest whien I get my new comp which would be more efficient Dual opterons or 1 Dual core Athlon FX60?
Dunno but the FX60 looks excellent once the price comes down.

[limefan913]

Looking at the SETI@home specs for Tom's new X2 +3800, its a great one.

[CyberWraith]

it occures to me that 2no 3.6GHz processors has got to have more number crunching ability than a 4.8GHz Athlone X2 since each channel will only be 2.4GHz, but I don't understand these things enough to make proper comparisons,

[Major Tom MIB]

How's that?Okay, it's 'Major Tom MIB' across the board.

Do we need to make any more team projects or are we spread thin enough at this time?

[limefan913]

We're spread thin enough. HB isn't even registering any credit at SETI@home for days.

[historic_bruno]

That's because I'm using Linux now about 90% of the time. And the Linux BOINC client corrupts my work units within hours of reinstalling. You get a message like this and then it exits:
SIGSEGV: segmentation violationStack trace (5 frames):
./boinc[0x80845b2]
/lib/i686/libpthread.so.0[0xa7df14ec]
/lib/i686/libc.so.6[0xa7e82ca8]
./boinc[0x80784d9]
[0x31323532]

[CyberWraith]

have you tried posting that message on their tech help forum?

[MoreBandwidthPls]

Speedsters battle for top spot
AFP, March 14th, 2006

The most powerful computer in Europe, 15,000 times faster than the average home PC, was unveiled at a German research centre near Cologne recently.

The version of the IBM-built Blue Gene machine at the Juelich Research Centre has achieved processing speeds of 46 teraflops, which the experts says is equivalent to 46 trillion operations per second.

Among its many advantages, the new supercomputer will allow physicians, chemists, biologists and medical researchers to make highly complex calculations.

IBM says further possible applications are forecasting the weather and predicting the stock markets movements.

"It's a terrific tool for scientific programs that require immense calculating power," says the centre's Peter Schaefer.

Schaefer heads a committee that will decide which projects can use the computer at the centre, which is the biggest facility of its kind in Europe.
"All projects are welcome to apply, providing they have a peaceful aim," he says.

Ninety per cent of the funding came from the German federal government, with the remaining 10 per cent contributed by the state of North Rhine-Westphalia, where Juelich is situated.

According to the respected www.top500.org (http://www.top500.org) website, which provides a ranking of supercomputers, the Juelich-based machine beats the current holder of the title of most powerful computer in Europe, a machine in Barcelona.

However, the French Atomic Energy Commission claims it has the most powerful machine, a 50-teraflop computer built by Bull, which has recently been installed.

The www.top500.org (http://www.top500.org) list is to be updated in June.

The world's most powerful computer is a more advanced version of the Blue Gene, based at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, a US Department of Energy laboratory in California.

The Lawrence computer is capable of an astonishing 367 teraflops per second.

I want two! :cool: :cool:
Reckon they have any spare CPU cycles they could throw the way of the Technutopia team?

[historic_bruno]

have you tried posting that message on their tech help forum?
Not yet. But I have done some investigation and others are having the same problem with other distributions of Linux. So I can rule out Linux being the cause, unfortunately the most common fix is to reinstall - which as I've noted before is not a valid solution. My newest lead is that it might be one of the projects, it seems SETI alone does not cause this error, process of elimination I suppose :( Just a word of caution for others running Linux and attempting multiple projects...

[CyberWraith]

anyone know how fast you could complete a WU at 367 Tera flops a second?

I doubt we could download them quick enough :)

[limefan913]

My Linux disto wont even run Bonic properly. It refuses to connect to anything. I'm tempted to either run an emulated version of the Windows one, or install Win2k on that box.

[Major Tom MIB]

anyone know how fast you could complete a WU at 367 Tera flops a second?

I doubt we could download them quick enough :)I don't even know how many gfps my pc does, although that other card does 8gfps for only $14k list price!

There should be posted stats on the number of gfps 'consumed' by seti (or some of the other projects).

Welcome CyberWraith to the BBC Climate project list of computers w/credit!

As for linux, I've spent my short term budget on that Acer system which came with WinXP Pro/Media Edition--it almost meets my 'requirements' for a video capture station (DivX insane quality on-the-fly encoding at D1).

Once I organize my thoughts I'll post in the seti forum and enquire about off the shelf hardware DSP solutions (could be a long time :( )

[redshirt]

I don't even know how many gfps my pc does, although that other card does 8gfps for only $14k list price!


Your new one does about 7.5 Gflops.

I am interested in a board coming from the UK's clearspeed (http://www.clearspeed.com/optimize.html) capable of 50 Gflops with only using 25 watts. Should work great with Seti's FFT calculations. You need a PCI-X slot though. I have read costs of $1000-$10,000 hopefully they come down in price.

[rumbach]

Take a look at this guys seti wall.

http://www.nelliott.demon.co.uk/distributed/windows_diskless/index.html

[rumbach]

Hey this is getting really interesting since I started researching this.
The American Museum of Natural History has 560 computers in their.

http://www.bulldognews.net/super_computer.html

I just might start a small project myself.

[rumbach]

Here's an xbox setup.

http://www.llamma.com/xbox/beowulf.htm

[Major Tom MIB]

Your new one does about 7.5 Gflops.

I am interested in a board coming from the UK's clearspeed (http://www.clearspeed.com/optimize.html) capable of 50 Gflops with only using 25 watts. Should work great with Seti's FFT calculations. You need a PCI-X slot though. I have read costs of $1000-$10,000 hopefully they come down in price.Really? I was unable to find on AMD's web site a single simple performance statement of #.# gfps :( Anyone find a link where I can see that 7.5?

At 7.5, I'd just get wait for the prices wars to heat up and get that double QUAD processor board :D Then I'd drop all that hardware DSP project!

VLWI dsp processors are really cool--have you looked at the programming specs of some of them? It's like having hardware versions of fortran scientific math subroutines.

[Major Tom MIB]

Wow, lots of interesting links for clusters!

I like the minimual OS configurations where they've disabled the system services--more power for computing. Might be simplest to get one of those $15 bootrom nics and pull all the disks, PCI cards, and extra cooling fans on Soyo. (Scheduled for next month).

[redshirt]

I don't know what to believe now found pages with different flops I guess it depends on what you tested it with.

This is the post #41 I saw last night 7.5Gflops (http://www.computerbase.de/news/hardware/supercomputer/2006/maerz/europas_supercomputer_juelich)
Heres a page that compares your cpu to others with alot of graphs. For some reason they did not test the 3800+ on linpack. But you can guess where it would fall if X2's are linear. ~600Mflops (http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/athlon64-x2/index.x?pg=4)
Another page in which I believe he droped the M on flops on this one 5 Mflops (http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=3233)

Test it yourself http://www.geekpatrol.ca/geekbench/ I made a 634.4MFlops and 665.9Mflops

P4 2.543 GHz

Running F@H did not matter.

[redshirt]

http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/athlon64-x2/index.x?pg=3 shows the tests done to get the 600Mflops you can download the linpack and run it yourself http://www.aceshardware.com/files/benchmarks/linpack.zip I recommend you do that if you are not going to be at the computer.

[limefan913]

I've got that 400Mhz Celeron box, and I'm trying to figure out what version of Windows to put on it. If I disabled all the services and pretty graphics of XP it might work, but Win2k would work well too. Windows 98 would work well as it uses very few system resources. I'm not so sure.

[limefan913]

Haha: I passed ya up Mr. CW.

[historic_bruno]

Win9x? Win-frickin-9x?! That's like going back to the dark ages. Don't do it to yourself. I'd say Win2k or bust. Why does it need Windows on it anyway?

[limefan913]

Because I'm linux incompetent, and I won't get my KVM switch until friday most likely so its a pain in the *** to use the little box.

[CyberWraith]

Haha: I passed ya up Mr. CW.

Dammit, well how much you got on the bbc project? oh thats right zilch :p

well Bruno is on the move now and he's gonna wipe you off the leader board HA!!

[Major Tom MIB]

Geekbench Information
Version: Geekbench Preview 2 (r72)
Compiler: Visual C++ 1400
System Information
OS: Microsoft Windows XP Professional
Model: Acer Aspire E360
Motherboard: Acer FC51GM
CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+
CPU ID: Family 15 Model 35 Stepping 2
CPU Count (Physical): 2
CPU Count (Logical): 2
CPU Frequency: 1986 MHz
Bus Frequency: 0 MHz
Memory: 958 MB
CPU Integer Performance
Emulate 6502 92 (1 thread, 163.9 megahertz)
Emulate 6502 178 (4 threads, 325.4 megahertz)
Blowfish 39 (1 thread, 54.72 megabytes/sec)
Blowfish 72 (4 threads, 109.7 megabytes/sec)
bzip2 Compress 168 (1 thread, 30.22 megabytes/sec)
bzip2 Compress 122 (4 threads, 22.8 megabytes/sec)
bzip2 Decompress 153 (1 thread, 63.93 megabytes/sec)
bzip2 Decompress 295 (4 threads, 125.2 megabytes/sec)
CPU Floating Point Performance
Mandelbrot 142 (1 thread, 960.6 megaflops)
Mandelbrot 270 (4 threads, 1.889 gigaflops)
Memory Performance
Latency 581 (1 thread, 18 nanoseconds/load)
Read Sequential 262 (1 thread, 1.904 gigabytes/sec)
Write Sequential 230 (1 thread, 1.327 gigabytes/sec)
Stdlib Allocate 2903 (1 thread, 2.262 megaallocs/sec)
Stdlib Allocate 1165 (4 threads, 913.5 kiloallocs/sec)
Stdlib Write 101 (1 thread, 1.598 gigabytes/sec)
Stdlib Copy 127 (1 thread, 977.4 megabytes/sec)
Stream Performance
Stream Copy 142 (1 thread, 1.94 gigabytes/sec)
Stream Scale 143 (1 thread, 1.947 gigabytes/sec)
Stream Add 142 (1 thread, 1.965 gigabytes/sec)
Stream Triad 136 (1 thread, 1.916 gigabytes/sec)

[Major Tom MIB]

Really, gflops???

Let me get this straight my cpu (barebones for < $500) can do 1gflop for each processor and the $14k chip (low power) only does 8gflops?

So, if I go for that 8 dual processor motherboard (minimual power usage vs 8 computers), I'm 2x ahead of the game (and could run some pretty impressive games)?

[limefan913]

Grrr, SETI's servers are down, so I can't attach 2 computer, nor can I upload 2 results.

[limefan913]

Hey! Welcome to the SETI team rummy!

[historic_bruno]

When the hell do the BBC climate prediction work units get reported? I'm only at 0.12%, surely it doesn't have to get up to 100%, that would be thousands of hours (months)! If it does have to get up to 100% then I'm quitting because it will never finish on my computer since I no longer keep it on 24/7 or use it every day.

[Major Tom MIB]

BBC uses 'trickles'--reports them periodically--when I'm not sure :( You can see them for one of Acer's processors: http://bbc.cpdn.org/show_host_detail.php?hostid=130764

I'm only running BBC on Acer and it sent a tricle in today--46hrs cpu, 1.72% done out of 2046 hours est remaining (about the same on both processors).

I found a Gateway with an Intel Celeron in the trash room this morning--this weekend I'll see if it works :) I quick look shows it needs a NIC (I've got plenty of them somewhere.) I'll see what state it's in before I decide which way to go--another standand alone computer, a diskless workstation, or back to the trash room. I doubt it's a really fast processor as it only has a heat sink on the CPU and a 90 watt power supply.

[Major Tom MIB]

Seti members:

Member list of Technutopia

Historic_Bruno
Major Tom MIB
Cyberwraith
Limefan913
stifa (no credit as of this posting)
rumbach

[Major Tom MIB]

When the hell do the BBC climate prediction work units get reported? I'm only at 0.12%, surely it doesn't have to get up to 100%, that would be thousands of hours (months)! If it does have to get up to 100% then I'm quitting because it will never finish on my computer since I no longer keep it on 24/7 or use it every day.I've added a 'readme' to my sig--it shows how much of a commitment the BBC project requires. Seti has the shortest work units, World Grid runs about twice as long, and BBC is a long term project.

[CyberWraith]

my first trickles appeared at .78% on the bbc project

[limefan913]

Well, I have 3 computers on the job, and my mom refuses to let me use her Athlon 64 +3200, so I can't get much more. I tried using a Pentium II laptop with 64MB RAM but it seems the requirements for SETI are 128... so I was out of luck there. I'm looking to get as many on SETI as possible.

[Major Tom MIB]

As a general rule, laptops are not designed to run intensive cpu usage applications--so don't kill your laptop--it's enough that your paying for the electricity :)

[MoreBandwidthPls]

I was just reading something the other day about the recent Nvidea SLi chipset being deployed with AMD and Intel processors, and how it only allowed one of the two CPUs to work in an Intel situation, but both with an AMD CPU. This may account for some of the widely differing performance figures on recently released systems.

[limefan913]

Well, my Compaq Presairo 2200 (I hate it) runs it fairly well without problems. I think that CW was or is running SETI on a laptop with a Pentium M processor.

EDIT: Tom, you seem to be having some problems with your new computer having client errors.

[CyberWraith]

very true no problems here with the lap top although I am using it on the exclusivly on bbc project for now

[Major Tom MIB]

...EDIT: Tom, you seem to be having some problems with your new computer having client errors.Those tasks were aborted.

[Major Tom MIB]

...I found a Gateway with an Intel Celeron in the trash room this morning--this weekend I'll see if it works :) I quick look shows it needs a NIC (I've got plenty of them somewhere.) I'll see what state it's in before I decide which way to go--another standand alone computer, a diskless workstation, or back to the trash room. I doubt it's a really fast processor as it only has a heat sink on the CPU and a 90 watt power supply.Wow, it works--Win95 OS too! Loading a Linux on it now, but can't find a NIC, so it might not be running Seti until next week :(

[limefan913]

SETI requires ~100MB RAM to run. I tried on a PII 300Mhz with 64MB RAM (It shows on my computers page) and it didn't work.

[historic_bruno]

That's because I'm using Linux now about 90% of the time. And the Linux BOINC client corrupts my work units within hours of reinstalling. You get a message like this and then it exits:
Well I haven't experiences this issue since I reinstalled and didn't attach to the BBC project. I'd strongly advise against anyone using the BBC climate project in Linux BOINC, it might have incompatibilities.

[historic_bruno]

SETI requires ~100MB RAM to run. I tried on a PII 300Mhz with 64MB RAM (It shows on my computers page) and it didn't work.
Of course you'd probably like to finish work units this century :p I tried SETI back in the day on a P-MMX 233MHz with 32MB of RAM and it never finished a packet. And that was the old screensaver software!

[Major Tom MIB]

I have no clue why they've added a graphics intensive screen saver--it reduces production.

[Major Tom MIB]

Check'em out! http://pperry.f2s.com/downloads.htm

[Major Tom MIB]

Pretty stats page! With links to team and team members: BOINC Member stats for Major Tom MIB (http://www.boincsynergy.com/stats/boinc-stats.php?id=8349794&project=sah)

[historic_bruno]

I also have doubts about the performance of the Linux client. The benchmark I get in Linux is about half that in Windows. I don't seem to submit nearly so many work units as when in Windows. This sucks, I'm using Linux all the time now :mymymy:

[Major Tom MIB]

What can/should we do to get more forum members to join?

Our world rank is moving up pretty quickly, but we could use some more help :D

[Major Tom MIB]

I also have doubts about the performance of the Linux client. The benchmark I get in Linux is about half that in Windows. I don't seem to submit nearly so many work units as when in Windows. This sucks, I'm using Linux all the time now :mymymy:Try the optimized clients?

[historic_bruno]

Try the optimized clients?
Why should I need to? I would expect Berkeley to provide the most optimized on their site. But since you asked, yes > 2006-03-18 22:29:13 [---] GUI RPC bind failed: -1
2006-03-18 22:29:13 [---] GUI RPC bind failed: -1
gstate.init() failed: -180

Using http://boinc.truxoft.com/, any others worked better for you, I should say worked at all?

[historic_bruno]

Screw it, I'll compile the latest source code myself. Uggh shades of Gentoo :( If what I've read is right though, I'll see about an 85% performance increase.

EDIT: Yep it worked. Performance should now be similar to what I get in Windows. :grin:

[Major Tom MIB]

...Using http://boinc.truxoft.com/, any others worked better for you, I should say worked at all?I trying that now, the first credit correction was 29.69 >> 22.64 (time 9118s >> 6814s) Gfpops 2.03 >> 2.15 on Acer.

[historic_bruno]

my first trickles appeared at .78% on the bbc project
Oh good only 3 months I can wait :hello:

[Major Tom MIB]

Oh good only 3 months I can wait :hello:So it'll be done just in time for summer! :D

[CyberWraith]

92 hours (2.7% of the project) has given me a score of 907 on the BBC project

and its running on a laptop :)

[limefan913]

Wtf, BONIC isn't working on my computer. It saying it can't connect to a BONIC client.

[CyberWraith]

I get that a lot, reboot and it should work if not reinstall and choose repair, then reboot,

[limefan913]

Reboot? Echie.

[Major Tom MIB]

Just exit the boinc manager and restart it--no need to reboot.

I had that problem on one of my computers--I had to 1) stop accepting work, 2) finish current work, 3) report finished work (usually automatic), 4) uninstall and delete boinc, then 5) reinstall the client. I let it run as a service, but that requires that you remember your password. I'm not too sure it safe to use the administrator account, but sometime it 'seems' to need that to keep running when you log off (I have to test that stuff at some time in the future whne I have some time).

[limefan913]

I tried just exiting it. It won't let me finish the work. It won't do anything. I haven't tried to fix it yet.

[Major Tom MIB]

Wow, look at that number climb and I haven't even bought the farm yet!

[CyberWraith]

i was looking at that thats some impressive number crunching there :)

[historic_bruno]

Wow, look at that number climb and I haven't even bought the farm yet!
How does your AMD Athlon XP 1800+ get 79 recent credit, when my Athlon XP 2000+ only gets like 16? Is yours working on it 24/7 and just SETI? I'm still not sure that explains it, mine's on probably 18 hours a day. My average is 13, yours is 90.

[Major Tom MIB]

How does your AMD Athlon XP 1800+ get 79 recent credit, when my Athlon XP 2000+ only gets like 16? Is yours working on it 24/7 and just SETI? I'm still not sure that explains it, mine's on probably 18 hours a day. My average is 13, yours is 90.It runs seti at 99%+ cpu as a service under win2kpro w/the AMD Athalon optmized (w/sse2 enabled) version (from one of the optimized client links from this thread).

[historic_bruno]

Well ok there's only 150 such optimized client websites. Maybe more :D Is it "Crunch3rs" client? I've just tried that one and it doubled my CPU benchmarks. I'm now at 3627 and 1728. Unreal :mymymy: Also I think it's running with low priority in the background so perhaps I can bump that up. Nonetheless maybe I'll finally be competitive with your XP 1800+.

[Major Tom MIB]

I have no clue which one I used, but I did learn that one should finish off all pending work units before changing the client :( Notice all the unreported work units I lost when one of the changes wasn't compatible :(

[Major Tom MIB]

RE: http://www.guntec.de/Crunch3r/boincx86.html & http://www.guntec.de/Crunch3r/setix86.html

Okay, let's settle for this one? It's showing < 2hrs/workunit or 24 work units/day for Acer.

Now:

Measured floating point speed 2775.73 million ops/secMeasured integer speed 8411.73 million ops/sec

[historic_bruno]

Yeah it does work very fast. Earlier I got 42 points on a result, when I had been getting 18 with my custom compiled Berkeley version. My Athlon XP's on target for about 3.5 hours per result :grin: I'm also increasing its priority (just found out the command to do this in Linux is "renice," -10 seems usable for doing some other tasks, but I might set it to -18 when I'm out of the room).

[limefan913]

RE: http://www.guntec.de/Crunch3r/boincx86.html & http://www.guntec.de/Crunch3r/setix86.html

Okay, let's settle for this one? It's showing < 2hrs/workunit or 24 work units/day for Acer.

Now:

Measured floating point speed 2775.73 million ops/secMeasured integer speed 8411.73 million ops/sec
I decided to try this on my main box and it worked, however its still not any faster, but thats not biggy since I could still knock out 2 work units in 3.5 hours. I got my computers back on BONIC again, so well, see what I can do again. (Need... more... computers, 3 isn't enough for BONIC, expecally with one only knockin out 1 work unit per day).

[rumbach]

Which one of all those files should I download for my old 1.2mhz amd?

[MoreBandwidthPls]

I tried just exiting it. It won't let me finish the work. It won't do anything. I haven't tried to fix it yet.The aliens have finally arrived and taken over your machine then eh? :mymymy: :D

[Major Tom MIB]

RE: http://www.guntec.de/Crunch3r/boincx86.html & http://www.guntec.de/Crunch3r/setix86.html

Okay, let's settle for this one? It's showing < 2hrs/workunit or 24 work units/day for Acer.

Now:

Measured floating point speed 2775.73 million ops/secMeasured integer speed 8411.73 million ops/secThe bench mark for integer ops/ses is wrong (it used both cpus at the same time) it's taking 2.4hrs/work unit :(

Match optimization client's by cpu feature:

SSE3 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSE3
SSE2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSE2
Pentium III's SSE Implementation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_III#Pentium_III.27s_SSE_Implementation

I'll do some more research next month (didn't find any quick reference tables) about the various processors and their floating point extension seti optimizations.

[limefan913]

It runs seti at 99%+ cpu as a service under win2kpro w/the AMD Athalon optmized (w/sse2 enabled) version (from one of the optimized client links from this thread).
How do you enable SSE?

[Major Tom MIB]

How do you enable SSE?If it's a feature of that cpu, the optimized seti client uses it. I don't know what happens when you don't have it, but I'll assume it's emulated by the software libraries and could actually slow down the computing. So, match the software (from the list) with the hardware (from the other list) to be sure. That and watch the est time of unstarted works units after a few work units have completed, they are adjusted based on how long the previous work units took to complete.

[limefan913]

Mmm, ok. I have the optimized client, and I've got a SSE compatible CPU (I read every article I could at wikipedia about the P4) so just let it stew for a while? Will do.

[Major Tom MIB]

Mmm, ok. I have the optimized client, and I've got a SSE compatible CPU (I read every article I could at wikipedia about the P4) so just let it stew for a while? Will do.That should do it :)

[CyberWraith]

I am running a 1.73Gig pentium M and work units are taking between 1.5 and 2 Hrs even though they initialy claim that they will take 4 hours, the lap top is out performing the Desktops by some margin,

[limefan913]

The Pentium M is a "stepping" processor, meaning it can vary in clock speed. If I recall, someone jumped a Pentium M upto 3.8Ghz in a desktop setting.

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

Hmmm. I have no interest in SETI but I am curious how fast this Prescott F would do that stuff…

[CyberWraith]

why not give it a whirr?
you can alway's just do the one WU :)

[historic_bruno]

Hmmm. I have no interest in SETI but I am curious how fast this Prescott F would do that stuff…
Do world community grid then, overall a greater benefit to humanity I'd say. We could use some help on that project anyway.

[MoreBandwidthPls]

The Pentium M is a "stepping" processor, meaning it can vary in clock speed. If I recall, someone jumped a Pentium M upto 3.8Ghz in a desktop setting.I think you can step down by design, but not step up the clock speed. Are you sure you are not confusing the term stepping in this context as something to do with clocking speed vs release versions?

The Pentium M is a later generation processor, and has enhancements that foreshadowed Intel dropping processor clock speed as a measure of performance - AMD has been doing this for years. Other things such as pipeline optimisation and additional level 1 cache can be used to skew things remarkably.

[redshirt]

Labtops use the method lime is talking about to save power they underclock(step down) to a level and I believe they also undervolt to increase battery life.

Then lime goes on to talk about overclocking which can be done on most chips. With the right cooling I have heard of chips going to 5 GHz.

[limefan913]

Yes, stepping does not by default allow clock speeds that high. But they are designed to use very little power and release very little heat, making their design possibly superior. In any event Pentium M processors are far more efficent than many desktops.

[Major Tom MIB]

I'm back to runnning all the projects on my personal computers while Farm computers will only run Seti.

[Major Tom MIB]

Hmmm. I have no interest in SETI but I am curious how fast this Prescott F would do that stuff…That is a quick little puppy you have there :D

[CyberWraith]

Changing the settings to have at least 5 units waiting has really boosted my performance, with the server down I was forever waiting for hours to download the next WU now it can just move on, if you havn't done this yet people I suggest doing it now :)

[rumbach]

I did the 1 day thing....is that enough? Or should I go for more.
Two puters running seti....one puter running seti and WCG.

[CyberWraith]

if you altered it to one day then it will work out how many units it thinks your computer can do in one day and download that amount so it varies but I think a day is fine this gives me 5 units. If you want more then alter it to 2 or 3,

[rumbach]

This slow 1.2 mhz puter is do the max I think it can do.
The other puter I think I need to tweak some more, it is twice as fast.

[Mooseman]

OK im signed up for SETI but the BBC site says its not for computers running Me. Is this right?

[CyberWraith]

yes it's a big intensive project and I think they missed a trick with their Millenia long work units. :mad:

[Mooseman]

I was ticking along nicely, I think, up to 20% on my first work unit (at least I think that's what it all meant), then it all went blank. Now nothing shows in my Boinc manager and I don't seem to be able to connect to Seti.

I'm not finding this very user friendly so far. It's not very intuitive. Or maybe I'm not very computer savvy.

Edit. Ok just opened the manager again and it has restarted where it left off. Is this common?

[CyberWraith]

I have that problem with it's user friendlyness to for instance to increase your work units the setting to alter is the amount of times your comp attempts to contact the server????? it's obvious once you know, all of us except tom are pretty new to this,

try altering your preferences so the client will only use 75% of your processor that may increase stability for you.

[Mooseman]

Up to 37% on first work unit now and counting. Cant wait to see one in my credits column (Sad I know). Now to decide what else to run. Would have liked to do the BBC but not upgrading just to do it.

[limefan913]

Its not very hard, just somewhat tricky. Anyhow, I now have only one computer running SETI as my laptop has returned over 10 computation errors in a row.

[Mooseman]

I have completed my first seti unit

[andcrs2]

I did the 1 day thing....is that enough? Or should I go for more.
Two puters running seti....one puter running seti and WCG. I had completed all my SETI units/ran out of work w/"Connect to network about every 1day"
so I went to 5days in an attempt to sidestep the comm issues.

The 5day setting did cause an excess of unworked WCG units.
That's really not a prob is it?

~~~~~
I agree that BOINC (Manager et al) isn't very User friendly.
It's going to take some research/studies before obtaining fluency...... at least for me.
This ain't BS...


A

Congrats MM and all the new meat... *c*

How long does it take for One's initial WCG points?
"Statistics are unavailable until within 24 hours after returning your first result to the server." doesn't make any Sense...

[historic_bruno]

How long does it take for One's initial WCG points?
They only update the statistics at midnight, a process which takes several hours. There's probably some additional delay for your first result.

[redshirt]

The 5day setting did cause an excess of unworked WCG units.
That's really not a prob is it?



The worst that can happen is the information is delayed with no one doing that WU then the WU gets sent out again after the final deadline passes by.

[historic_bruno]

Hey we've cracked the top 10,000. How long til we have 50,000 points? :grin:

[Major Tom MIB]

Another month or sooner with this growing group of computers :)

[limefan913]

Darn! On SETI we're at 33,270.12 credit! My main box is crankin away! It says I have 292.20 credit pending, but as it appears I'm only claming ~10 credit, and being rewarded 20+ so I'm at least going to gain 600 credit most likely.

[rumbach]

Is there any way to change the processor priority at bootup?
It boots up with low and I change it to normal in task manager.

[limefan913]

Mine is at low too, I never realised that. Never bothered me much. I guess you could create a batch file to boot it up in tha manner, I don't know if it would help.

[Major Tom MIB]

You should leave it as is--it's really intended to use the idle/wasted cpu cycles (heats it up a bit though).

If you leave it at the idle/low priority, then you 'don't notice' it running and you'll be less inclined to 'play' with it, like shutting it off because it's slowing down your computer and then forgetting to restart it. IMO.

[Mooseman]

I think I have signed up for the Technutopia team for the World Community Grid as well but I can't find a list of team members on their site. (I'm sure it must be there somewhere).

This project I assume is not operable through Boinc as when I tried to link to it I think it said this cant be done.

[limefan913]

It should work. Just type in the project url as www.worldcommunitygrid.org and then they give you this weird *** number for an account number that you have to enter.

[Beethoven]

I think I have signed up for the Technutopia team for the World Community Grid as well but I can't find a list of team members on their site. (I'm sure it must be there somewhere).


You must have the wrong link. You're definitely there, and your numbers put mine to shame. I'm green with envy!

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/team_display.php?teamid=123904

:)

[Mooseman]

I'm getting P****d off with World Community Grid. I think I have messed up and got two copies of it running, (one in BOINC and one on its own), which I don't want as one seems to run all the time in the background. I know I can limit it, but I want to cancel this project connection and maybe start afresh just with a version running in BOINC.

I have spent ages looking all over their site for the necessary info on how to do this without success. It feels a bit like Aids, once you have it there is no cure.

If I cant sort this out I am gonna get out of this client and stay out cos its winding me up. I can't seem to even contact them as it comes up with an error message every time I try. What gives?:banghead: :pullhair:

[historic_bruno]

Did you download software from their website, too (WCG)? If you did, you shouldn't have. Uninstall their software and keep BOINC. You can tell if you did because you'll have two separate managers running at once :eek:

[Mooseman]

Yes I have their manager running, and I can't find how to uninstall the d**n thing. That is the problem.

[historic_bruno]

Ooooh, I had their software before, too... I'm not sure it has an automatic uninstall now that you mention it! :doh: First try Add/Remove programs like you would to uninstall any other program. I guess you've checked that though, so intead you'll have to do it the hard way. First close the program completely. Then delete their folder, I think it's C:\Program Files\World Community Grid\. Then it will still want to startup when your computer boots up, so remove the shortcut from your Start menu. I think for you that would be Start->Program Files->Startup->WorldCommunityGrid or something of the sort, well remove that shortcut if you can. We can work you through any of those steps in more detail if you need.

[Mooseman]

Thanks HB, because I was looking for a proper uninstall I hadn't done the add/remove programmes bit. But I have now. The independent version seems to be gone, thank goodness. I think it must have been that which kept crashing my attempted defrag the other evening. I bet it was running away in the background.

I just need to check that the version in BOINC is still present and rejoin the Technutopia team.

[Mooseman]

So does Technutopia have a team for the predictor project via Boinc then?

[Major Tom MIB]

So does Technutopia have a team for the predictor project via Boinc then?Only three teams were created when we started 'cause we didn't have a lot of computers. One was the BBC version, but it's fallen in disfavor with it's year long work units (a big commitment).

We can add more teams for projects that are Boinc manager based and the world combined stats will show'em, but it takes a dedicated computer/project or work units get overcommited and the time slice (default an hour) goes to the work unit that needs to report first (ignores other project work units from what I see).

[limefan913]

Only three teams were created when we started 'cause we didn't have a lot of computers. One was the BBC version, but it's fallen in disfavor with it's year long work units (a big commitment).

We can add more teams for projects that are Boinc manager based and the world combined stats will show'em, but it takes a dedicated computer/project or work units get overcommited and the time slice (default an hour) goes to the work unit that needs to report first (ignores other project work units from what I see).
I think WCG and SETI are plenty until we get more people. BBR is one of the largest groups and they don't do more than a couple projects.

[Mooseman]

Here are my meagre stats:
http://www.boincstats.com/signature/user_668346.gif

Should I start a Technutopia team for Predictor through BOINC? as we don't appear as a team there.

[redshirt]

Should I start a Technutopia team for Predictor through BOINC? as we don't appear as a team there.

Just a question what is the difference between Predictor and World Community Grid?

Is the only difference WCG is focused to Human protein folding and predictor is all protein folding is a correct assessment?

I am a F@H man myself but I was just curious. So many different protein folding programs I hope sometime in the future can clue us in to how and why misfolding happeans.

[Major Tom MIB]

Here are my meagre stats:
http://www.boincstats.com/signature/user_668346.gif

Should I start a Technutopia team for Predictor through BOINC? as we don't appear as a team there.Actually I should 'create' the teams--Done!

Team Technutopia Boinc Project Links (http://www.technutopia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2497)

Here's the anchor thread for the teams--the links were getting too long for my sig :)

What other projects are our members working on so 'we' can create a Technutopia team and claim credit? :)

[historic_bruno]

I don't get it. I left my PC on for 24 hours running only BOINC, and when I returned... 0 SETI results and 1 WCG result had been completed in that time. WTF? I seem to be completing a SETI work unit every 3 days (judging my my online stats). Contrast that with Tom's Athlon XP 1800+ which completes a dozen or more a day. You have a time machine there or is my computer (an Athlon XP 2000+) especially gimpy? 173 RAC vs. 43 RAC. Also all my work units take comparatively longer to complete and I request 50+ credits and get about 30.

[Major Tom MIB]

...Contrast that with Tom's Athlon XP 1800+ which completes a dozen or more a day...Your computer should be able to process more units per day than mine. The difference is optimized Boinc and Seti client software (RE: SSE3 Enabled Boinc & Seti 64 Bit Client Finishes Workunits in Under 1:00 on Acer (http://www.technutopia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2303))

I also run Boinc as a service so it 'really' runs all the time--this is an install time option. If you're not running it as a service, first don't allow new work until you finish all your work units (and report them), then reinstall the Seti Boinc client and select as a service (requires the password of one of your user accounts--avoid using 'Administrator'). Once installed, suspend work and exit the Boinc manager and verify with the task manager that no boinc applications and/or services are still running. The unzip the optimized Boinc client and optimized Seti client & WCG client, then start the Boinc manager again.

Optimized clients might actually 'under' report credits, but if the quorum claims a higher credit you'll get that.

The only other draw back with using optimized clients is that Boinc software updates overwrite the optimized client and when this happens you have to manually 're-update' the optimized clients.

Soyo (XP1800) takes ~2hrs/work unit, Asus ~2hrs, Guppy ~1.5hrs, and Acer does two in under 1 hour. Big difference in performance when SSE/SSE2/SSE3 floating point optimizations are used. There's also 3D Now! optimized stuff, but I'm still working on 'simple' tweaking--I've been a little distracted with my internet connection project.

[historic_bruno]

I'm running the same optimized client as you, and have been all the while (crunch3r correct?).

I'm using BOINC in Linux so not only is there no "install", there is also no run as service option. It's running on startup thanks to a program called kboincspy. I have "run always" selected in kboincspy options...

I thought it was supposed to use idle cycles, how more idle could a PC be than when I leave it on for 24 hours without touching it? :rolleyes:

And what's this mess about it overwriting the optimized clients on update, how often does that happen and what files does it overwrite?

[Major Tom MIB]

Oh. I haven't seen any updates yet, so I'm not sure what's going on. I'm going to try Linux on Soyo and Asus after they finish their current work load (a week?). I'll see if there's any thing strange sometime this weekend.

[limefan913]

Oh. I haven't seen any updates yet, so I'm not sure what's going on. I'm going to try Linux on Soyo and Asus after they finish their current work load (a week?). I'll see if there's any thing strange sometime this weekend.Yeah, Bruno, thats certainly messed up. My 400Mhz Celeron when running BONIC unoptomized can do one w/u a day. My Athlon XP Mobile +2200 is capible of a work unit every 2 hours with the crunch3rs client, 4 without it. My P4 2.8 w/HT can do 2 w/u at once and do them in 30 mins or less.

[Major Tom MIB]

... My P4 2.8 w/HT can do 2 w/u at once and do them in 30 mins or less.I would like a few dozen of them!

[limefan913]

I would like a few dozen of them!
They're pretty cheep now, after 2 years.

[andcrs2]

Check Frys for P4 combos.
Directron usually has PIII combos.
Have I got a MB deal just for you... *g*


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[Major Tom MIB]

It's very interesting how raw clock speed makes such a big difference in the time it takes to process work units. All the AMD hype of lower clock rates to perform the same 'work' doesn't really pan out for seti :(

[andcrs2]

'Intel to crunch numbers/for office apps.
AMD for everything else.'
--The last coupla saleskids helping an Old Fart keep things straight.


Noticing similar results in WCG work?


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[Major Tom MIB]

'Intel to crunch numbers/for office apps.
AMD for everything else.'
--The last coupla saleskids helping an Old Fart keep things straight.


Noticing similar results in WCG work?


ANo clue about non-seti work units at this time as most of my machines have been doing seti, just to keep up with the rest of the crowd here :)

[limefan913]

It's very interesting how raw clock speed makes such a big difference in the time it takes to process work units. All the AMD hype of lower clock rates to perform the same 'work' doesn't really pan out for seti :(
Wanna trade my P4 for your X2? All I want is the CPU/Mobo and maybe RAM (assuming its a standard ATX mount mobo).

[limefan913]

Well, I now have my moms AMD Athlon 64 +3200 working between the hours of 2 and 6AM EST, so that should give me some credit. I gotta setup all the enhanced stuff later on.

[andcrs2]

???
What "enhanced stuff"?
Appears they've already been crunch3red.

How'd you manage to get so much S@H work? *L*
I've been out since early am AGAIN.
Tried reseting the Project but still no work.
I suppose next step is to detach...... not sure bout reattaching.

Oh, not having the probs w/S@HB, WCG...


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[Major Tom MIB]

Well, I now have my moms AMD Athlon 64 +3200 working between the hours of 2 and 6AM EST, so that should give me some credit. I gotta setup all the enhanced stuff later on.Did you pester her to death until she relented? :D

[limefan913]

Did you pester her to death until she relented? :D

Actually... yes :D She was worried about it, didn't seem to like the idea. However... with my political experience ;) I can manage to guilt her into it :) Its **** fast too, so it outta help out my score. It should kick on in 50 minutes.

[historic_bruno]

Oh. I haven't seen any updates yet, so I'm not sure what's going on. I'm going to try Linux on Soyo and Asus after they finish their current work load (a week?). I'll see if there's any thing strange sometime this weekend.
Any luck? Just curious.

Here's how things shake out in this ongoing saga. My computer:
465,558 159,834 AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2000+ Linux 1,403 32.49
Tom's computer:
205,155 27,503 AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1800+ Windows 2000 7,209 195.00

Even if my computer runs half as long/day as yours, that would seemingly double my RAC to about 64, and then since I'm running WCG as well 1/3 of the time it would increase to 96. That seem correct? It would still be 100 RAC short of your Athlon. What's missing here... We're both using Crunch3r AthlonXP SSE (http://www.guntec.de/Crunch3r/boincx86.html) clients right?

[Major Tom MIB]

Any luck? Just curious....Nope :( Per other threads, cleaning, waiting for Linux to arrive in the mail (on modem), and lack of time during the week to finish stuff (ie., I have to sleep sometime :( ).

My schedule is slipping, but in theory once I get things working it should be easy to add the computers and see how they perform. Right now Asus (WinXP Home) has to run in safe mode, Soyo is still disassembled, Cow lacks on OS that works (Debian install didn't work right). Horse needs some advanced work on the motherboard (won't boot), Acer is running all five projects, Guppy is just running Seti, and I haven't taken the time to see why trash was failing (most likely the hard disk).

That's five computers in transition for diskless Linux seti crunchers--the other three computers I'm waiting on are in limbo and there's one more motherboard I waiting on.

I'm running out of fingers to count computers, but I hope next month finishes with all of them running. So until then, I'm not sure why it's taking so long.

And I'm having that fight with dust bunnies (will buy filters and plastic this weekend) and low line voltage (bought two new AVR UPSes).

Just having fun, sorry I can't really answer you right now.

We're both using Crunch3r AthlonXP SSE (http://www.guntec.de/Crunch3r/boincx86.html) clients right?I think so, but it's not running, so I can't check it again.

[Major Tom MIB]

Weird, Guppy.Farm, which runs Boinc as a linux deamon, hasn't finished any work units :( I'll try keeping the boinc manager running to see if there's something wrong.